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  Ateste     Mon 26th May 2008 03:05:07

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I wonder is it realy necessary to attest rather mediocre stamps??? I see more and more stamps in the price range of below $ 15.00 with ateste. Long write ups from EXPERTS, for which they charge large sum of money. Is that necessary? I can see rare stamps of high value, where FALSE ones exist, but low priced stamps ??? Give me a break!!!
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  Ateste     Sun 15th Jun 2008 19:15:23

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In response to Austrianstampstore [100% (182x)] Club+ member: Bronze  :
I wonder is it realy necessary to attest rather mediocre stamps??? I see more and more stamps in the price range of below $ 15.00 with ateste. Long write ups from EXPERTS, for which they charge large sum of money. Is that necessary? I can see rare stamps of high value, where FALSE ones exist, but low priced stamps ??? Give me a break!!!

Low prised seals can be also falsified. In this case it concerns counterfeitings to the prejudice of the state
It therefore unfortunate would be cheap purchase seals, which afterwards nevertheless falsify prove be. Thus an expertise of such seals seems me justified.
The most of such seals have been well known, some are flagrant bad, but others can be very dangerous

(I hope that my translation machine have done good job)

Best wishes, Freddy

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  Ateste     Sun 15th Jun 2008 23:44:30

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In response to Elponsma [100% (1482x)]  :
Low prised seals can be also falsified. In this case it concerns counterfeitings to the prejudice of the state
It therefore unfortunate would be cheap purchase seals, which afterwards nevertheless falsify prove be. Thus an expertise of such seals seems me justified.
The most of such seals have been well known, some are flagrant bad, but others can be very dangerous

(I hope that my translation machine have done good job)

Best wishes, Freddy



I can' t see that counterfeiting low cost stamps would be of great benefit to any criminal or of any significant danger to the State. I think the British and American governments at least have got a lot more important things to worry about.

An exception might be the mass counterfeiting of current stamps still being used for postage, but these would never be sold to a collector with a certificate, would they ?


Je ne crois pas que la contrefaçon des timbres de petite valeur soit avantageuse au criminel, non plus que ce soit un danger important a l’État. Je pense que les gouvernements britanniques et états-uniens au moins doivent s’inquiéter pour les affaires d’une plus grande portée .

Une seule exception peut-être : la contrefaçon d’une très grand quantité des timbres toujours en usage par la Poste. Mais ceux-ci seraient vendus certifiés pour les collectionneurs ? Sûrement que non !


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  Ateste     Mon 16th Jun 2008 04:05:43

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In response to Rogermo [100% (42x)] (Closed account) :
I can' t see that counterfeiting low cost stamps would be of great benefit to any criminal or of any significant danger to the State. I think the British and American governments at least have got a lot more important things to worry about.

An exception might be the mass counterfeiting of current stamps still being used for postage, but these would never be sold to a collector with a certificate, would they ?


Je ne crois pas que la contrefaçon des timbres de petite valeur soit avantageuse au criminel, non plus que ce soit un danger important a l’État. Je pense que les gouvernements britanniques et états-uniens au moins doivent s’inquiéter pour les affaires d’une plus grande portée .

Une seule exception peut-être : la contrefaçon d’une très grand quantité des timbres toujours en usage par la Poste. Mais ceux-ci seraient vendus certifiés pour les collectionneurs ? Sûrement que non !


Rogermo


bonsoir rogermo et tout,
it really depends on the stamp in question, to which no examples have been given. some modern counterfeit u.s. stamps that are postally used and on cover that are expertised can probably be worth much more than its more common counterpart. during ww2, the american and british gov'ts. counterfeited french and german issues. on cover to clandestine destinations would be very valuable. but only if expertised. but as has been mentioned, there are some obvious counterfeits or fakes that really don't need this process, and i say when buying them, caveat emptor or buyer beware.

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  Ateste     Mon 16th Jun 2008 11:42:04

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In response to Rogermo [100% (42x)] (Closed account) :
I can' t see that counterfeiting low cost stamps would be of great benefit to any criminal or of any significant danger to the State. I think the British and American governments at least have got a lot more important things to worry about.

An exception might be the mass counterfeiting of current stamps still being used for postage, but these would never be sold to a collector with a certificate, would they ?


Je ne crois pas que la contrefaçon des timbres de petite valeur soit avantageuse au criminel, non plus que ce soit un danger important a l’État. Je pense que les gouvernements britanniques et états-uniens au moins doivent s’inquiéter pour les affaires d’une plus grande portée .

Une seule exception peut-être : la contrefaçon d’une très grand quantité des timbres toujours en usage par la Poste. Mais ceux-ci seraient vendus certifiés pour les collectionneurs ? Sûrement que non !


Rogermo


Hi,

It are especially ranges or seals which quote are more than 500.00 euros, that an authenticity certificate is necessary of a sworn expert and which are, however, known by philatelists. If need be, a list of them appears in your catalogue (at Michal it is that this way). For seals between 200,00 and 500,00 it may be necessary, if the purchaser of the seals there asks explicitly for

For cheaper seals this is only mentioned by a small stamp of the expert on back side. The place of this stamp stipulates if certains of the seals are really or false, if surcharges are really or false (I think that in the world catalogues, thare is however concerning said becomes.

the same applies to use seals which were copied in large numbers to the prejudice of the state, already it will be more advantageous of it have a lot about which one doubts concerning authenticity, because they do not seem normally

sorry, but I use the translation machine of Systran (Telenet), and I see that sometimes it is not optimale

philatélic congratulations
Freddy
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  Ateste     Mon 16th Jun 2008 12:28:19

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In response to Elponsma [100% (1482x)]  :
Hi,

It are especially ranges or seals which quote are more than 500.00 euros, that an authenticity certificate is necessary of a sworn expert and which are, however, known by philatelists. If need be, a list of them appears in your catalogue (at Michal it is that this way). For seals between 200,00 and 500,00 it may be necessary, if the purchaser of the seals there asks explicitly for

For cheaper seals this is only mentioned by a small stamp of the expert on back side. The place of this stamp stipulates if certains of the seals are really or false, if surcharges are really or false (I think that in the world catalogues, thare is however concerning said becomes.

the same applies to use seals which were copied in large numbers to the prejudice of the state, already it will be more advantageous of it have a lot about which one doubts concerning authenticity, because they do not seem normally

sorry, but I use the translation machine of Systran (Telenet), and I see that sometimes it is not optimale

philatélic congratulations
Freddy


What do you mean by “seals” ?

C’est quoi, un “seal” selon vous ?
Normalement ça veut dire soit un sceau, soit un phoque !

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  Ateste     Mon 16th Jun 2008 12:59:33

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In response to Rogermo [100% (42x)] (Closed account) :
What do you mean by “seals” ?

C’est quoi, un “seal” selon vous ?
Normalement ça veut dire soit un sceau, soit un phoque !

Rogermo

c'est la faute du programme de translation de Systran. C'est lui qui traduit timbres en seals. Ce n'est pas la première fois que je remarque que ce programme fait des erreurs énormes. et comme je ne suis pas anglais, mais néerlandophone annex francophone = blillingue, je n'ai pas voulue mettre en doute son translation. Dites, ça fait 45 ans que je n'ai plus appris de l'anglais, alors, hein.... et comme ma mémoire n'est plus ce que c'était, je suis bien obligé de m'aider au moyen de programmes douteux

cordialement vôtre,

Freddy
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